WishBone Sailing Rig

Hi Brian
I am looking into the feasibility of an "A" Frame mast on a 54' Trimaran. On entry #170 in WishBone Sailing Rig | Boat Design Net you have Photo and a short description, are they the same photo's at the end of the post? If not do you still have them?

Not sure you have the correct posting number there? I don't see the vessel you are asking about?

At one time I was very interested in this A-frame/wishbone concept, but in my talks with Randy West who skippered Procyon, I became aware the much attention needs to be paid to the masthead connection, PARTICULARLY if the base of these masts are rigidly connected to 2 different movable entities.

Randy,..
(oops I lost my place where I had his thoughts)

Have you looked thru this?
PROCYON project........a Bold experiment https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/procyon-project-a-bold-experiment.10771/



2) to make note that Procyon did experience some small problems with keeping the tips of those mast legs together (and that was on a monohull base structure compared to a multihull 'spread')

Alternatively have a look at these mast bases,..
High Tacker www.damsl.com

Re: masthead detail photos below

Hello Brian,

Not very much ever escaped ol' Malcolm Tennant's attention. See pics below for his solution to stresses at the masthead. Each leg of the A has a sizable plate welded to it at the top, and these two plates are then bolted together. Note that the bolts have advantage of being scattered over some considerable area. I forget exactly how long the plates are, something like 1.5 m. Note that they are quite long relative to mast fore and aft section length. Note also the outline of black, which is the edge of a thick rubber gasket between the two plates to allow flexibility for some motion. Also, the boltholes are slightly bigger than the bolts. Malcolm said that if there was no such allowance for motion, then there would be a problem, stress cracks developing and so on. I think Procyon's problem was that there was a rigid connection at the top.

Also, for flexibility at the other two corners of the triangle formed by A-frame and boat, the two legs of mast are stepped on pedestals, each pedestal on the corner of two very strong interior bulkheads (one fore and aft, one across). The masts actually are sitting in collars on stainless steel plates that are sitting on the pedestals with thick rubber gaskets providing flex between the plates and the pedestals, and the plates are through-bolted to chainplates on the interior bulkheads (that spreads the compression load, and can also take tension because theoretically one mast or the other could at times be in tension).

Another allowance for movement is that the bases of the masts have rocker, in other words, the base of each mast tube is cut in a slight curve, so that the masts can actually rock, tilting fore and aft within stainless collars welded onto the base plates and through which collars the masts are pinned athwart ship. Sorry I don't have photos of the mast bases handy, am still traveling. To sum up, there is flexibility at the top and at the bottom(s) of the A-frame.

To shape the plates at the masthead in the form of a bird, a profile of a catbird, was my idea. The catbird builds its nest in the highest tree around, is a predator who then swoops down on its prey. Hence the expression, to be "in the catbird seat" is to have a very big advantage, like, on top of the world. It is an American bird, and there is a famous James Thurber short story, "In the Catbird Seat". I took some liberties with its profile, gave it more of a hawk's curved beak, whereas a catbird actually has a straight beak. The boat herself has a suite of cabins and a suite of sails (all with pics of Catbirds on them), and she is my symphony, hence the name "Catbird Suite".
 
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...posted over here,.. Multihull Structure Thoughts https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/multihull-structure-thoughts.62361/page-242#post-953100

The following catamaran is used as a floating school, education tool about the marine environment. Sea Explorer plays a fundamental role in the Association Terre Marine Ecole de la Mer, which Franck and Bourguignon set up in 2014 to contribute to sustainability in the Mediterranean. They aim to engage the public toward greater understanding and enthusiasm for marine life and more responsible behaviour. In winter, the yacht is used for scientific research and educational film projects; in summer, it welcomes the public.

Michel Frank conceived this design with naval architect Nicolas Fauroux and structural designer Rivoyre Ingénierie. Micheal had the cat shell built by professionals in France in the Lerin Islands and then he and volunteers put in 38,000 hours to complete the cat from as many second hand and or recycled items that he could find. Many companies donated previous model equipment and left over building materials to help the build be completed. The cat was completed in 2017.

The cat is 79 x 37 foot with a “displacement” of 60,500 lbs. The 90 foot A frame aluminum masts carry up to 5 genoa’s of an unknow sail area. Michel has vast sailing experience and wanted an A Frame mast so that the mast connected directly to the crucial strong points of the boat, the hulls. This would allow the boat to remain light and strong. It also allowed a proper ladder and crows nest lookout points for spotting dolphins and whales.

The draft is 4.3 foot over the hull rudder and propellers. The hulls have a flat bottom for beaching and have no keels or boards for lateral resistance. The hulls were designed to be long and thin to provide the “lateral resistance’ like a Hobie 14/16. The engine power has 2 John Deere PowerTech™ 4045TFM85 engines with direct drives for port maneuvering and emergencies. For additional motoring the cat carries lithium batteries (54 kWh used EV car battery), battery management systems, 4 x 10kW electric motors and solar charge controllers with 25kW of solar panels. The intention is to power the cat by wind and solar with minimal fossil fuels.

The accommodation is vast but the main cabin is used for education and a “lecture” hall. The catamaran is equipped with microscopes, underwater camera and aquariums covering 250 square meters (2700 square foot) spread over three decks. The hulls have the sleeping spaces, toilets and galley equipment.

The structure is basically aluminum. The multichine hull has a flat bottom and is a simple shape to build. The remaining wing deck and cabin structure is flat panels so its basically cut and weld. Simple fast shape. BUT like all big boats addition things like engines, winches, deck gear, plumbing, electrical lines etc take the same amount of time as any 79 foot cat. The reason the cat took 38,000 hours (18 years of 40 hour weeks) to build this cat. Also the comment about the A Frame mast reducing the loads and weight of the cat is only partial valid. At this size of cat to add some additional weight to strengthen the main mast carrying for a single mast is a minor addition.

The performance of the cat is moderate for 2 reasons. The owners have no reason to push the cat as it is an education tool and why sail hard with children on board who may get scared or seasick. Result the statement “typical sailing speeds of 5-7 knots”.

An interesting total concept and catamaran. The jpegs give the idea.

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Any updates on this vessel with its aft mast, AND its A-frame rig configuration??
 
Found myself reading back thru some of my old website, and this particular section here,..
Alternative Race Boat Design ,.... Alternative Race Boat Design https://www.runningtideyachts.com/race/

excerpt...
Could we adapt this rig to a downwind racing catamaran?? I would propose the following. There is now no need to rest the base of the mast (aft rig) on the front crossbeam, so lets look at alternative crossbeam arrangements. Wouldn't this very beamy cat be much stronger and more rigid if the crossbeams were configured in a "X" arrangement? Their angled attachment at the hull ends would likely prove superior in strength to the 90 degree arrangement, and most importantly, the cantilevered length of these highly stressed beams would be half that of a conventional arrangement. Very often one forgets the huge downward compression loads exerted on the front crossbeam by the towering wingmast and its rigging pulling at the mast like an arrow in a cocked bow; and this is intensified hugely as the boats pounds thru a sea; and all the while this beam must hold the boat together. It should prove interesting to closely inspect Club Med and Innovation Explorer in light of the front beam problems of Team Adventure.(* see note)

My forward raked mast exerts quite a bit of compression to its own aft bulkhead, so lets modify things a bit for the racing version....split the mast into an "A" arrangement and mount the two bases into each hull at the point of attachment of the rear "X" crossbeam(s). We've triangulated everything...much stronger for its weight. And we may have even simplified the spreader/rigging arrangements.
 
As I mentioned many times before , mast is only our attachment to tradition. Kites. What's is the reason use of surfing kites on heavy boats ? There's no other solutions? I like this wishbone mast .
 
I have reviewed a lot of the observations and precepts/opinions and most everyone is "correct". Paradoxically, the boat sails well mainly because the hull is a racing hull. So this will never be a popular boat. Slack bilges, close quarters below, and tight deck space - but what a beauty in the slings....
The wishbone legs are bowed (cleverly), and require pre-loading, if you will, by the shrouds at the mid-arc to keep them from springing (they are afterall bows of carbon/kevlar/plastic). The wires do the trick as designed. As such the bowlegs of this mast act as shroudmasts with the wires performing the role of the string on a bow, only this string is attached in the mid-arc.
Shortening sail does result in lee helm but not a lot. I have not yet been able to get it to heave to. Still working on it. Fore reaches fine.
Tension loading is "extreme" I suppose. I have bent the upper mast back a few inches to get high tension of the forestay. Replaced some turnbuckles on aft stays but they were not badly worn. Rig is heavier than I would have liked, but necessarily so for strength. Still not much different from standard Marconi with same sail area and probably a little less weight depending or reefing of the Marconi reefing system. This is all anecdotal from my yard experiments, mainly involving my back, which has been a reliable tool thus far.
Aero-hydrodynamically speaking, the thing works well. I did hang it in the yard but the scale was broken...
Very comfortable ride to wind and on a reach she goes. Ran into the harbor last week with 20 knots of wind doing 8 knots without much fuss. Keeping the staysail boom down is a problem. I like sharpieII's ideas and observations.
Many of the observations of the individuals are right on and I appreciate the spirit of the discussion, unlike so many forums on the web, this one seems to keep it neat and respectful. I appreciate that more the older I get.
This will not likely ever be a "popular" rig for many reasons but primarily because it requires a very lean hull to take advantage. Most people just want real estate below and on deck. I do feel safer on it than on the vintage open 60 however. I know this one will come back up...


I've gotten re-interested in this wishbone mast subject, and thought the owners observations needed hi-lighting again,....particularly his observations about the mid-arc attachments of the shrouds. I believe i have some older illustrations i made with this same arrangement.
 
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I've gotten re-interested in this wishbone mast subject, and thought the owners observations needed hi-lighting again,....particularly his observations about the mid-arc attachments of the shrouds. I believe i have some older illustrations i made with this same arrangement.
Here are those images of my Wishbone Rig Alternatives

Variations on the Mast Aft Rig Concept

By now many of you readers are aware of my affinity for the mast aft or aft mast sailing rig concept. For the most part I am content with this being a singular mast column, stepped a little further aft on the vessel, and canted forward approx 10 degrees.

However, I’ve had more than a few people interested in alternative rigs ask about my rig and bi-podded rigs in the same questioning. Now, I was always enamored with bi-pod mast rig aboard Olaf Harken’s ‘Procyon’ vessel. And this wishbone shaped mast rig in my photo gallery also intrigued me.

So here I present some variations of the mast-aft rig configured with a wishbone/bipod mast column. There is a wide based version, and a narrow based one. And with each of these there are two different spreader arrangements that affect the very important cap shroud angle. Modern mast and rigging materials could very well make these unusual rigs a viable entity

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PS: Say we forget the canted forward version, and just think about a straight standing rig that has it feet stepped wee bit more forward, but still carries a roller furling mizzen sail rather than a big main like Procyon did.

Might make a very easy handled rig for cruising, and perhaps a very good one for my gamefishing design.
 
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Orca Owner Report

Sails very well in light air. Not had it over 15 kts of wind yet due to various refitting . Very responsive, tender only at the dock. Underway very comfortable ride. Cuts through 4-5 foot waves as advertised.

Windshield (1/2"acrylic bulb) disperses deck water over sides.

This hung at 22k - 11k in teh keel - 3/4 cutaway very Amerca Cup-like from 80's I guess.

Wishbone rig flex is a little difficult to get used to for a Bermuda rig sailor... about 2" to leeward mid wishbone (between 2 crossmenbers) at 20 degress of heel in 10-15 kts of wind. All sails out. Sorting that out before any venture into higher winds. Scary to some people. Not familiar enough with carbon yet to know myself what to expect in terms of how far it can flex before the big blow I hear so much about.

Yarns along luff of genoa were pointing up about 30 degrees as advertised. Bow hardly moves at all. Amazingly even ride.

Wing and wing was a bit of a challenge but works. Staysail tended to fly away with the boom.

Hydraulic steering takes a little getting used to but very sweet once you do.
I have reviewed a lot of the observations and precepts/opinions and most everyone is "correct". Paradoxically, the boat sails well mainly because the hull is a racing hull. So this will never be a popular boat. Slack bilges, close quarters below, and tight deck space - but what a beauty in the slings....
The wishbone legs are bowed (cleverly), and require pre-loading, if you will, by the shrouds at the mid-arc to keep them from springing (they are afterall bows of carbon/kevlar/plastic). The wires do the trick as designed. As such the bowlegs of this mast act as shroudmasts with the wires performing the role of the string on a bow, only this string is attached in the mid-arc.
Shortening sail does result in lee helm but not a lot. I have not yet been able to get it to heave to. Still working on it. Fore reaches fine.
Tension loading is "extreme" I suppose. I have bent the upper mast back a few inches to get high tension of the forestay. Replaced some turnbuckles on aft stays but they were not badly worn. Rig is heavier than I would have liked, but necessarily so for strength. Still not much different from standard Marconi with same sail area and probably a little less weight depending or reefing of the Marconi reefing system. This is all anecdotal from my yard experiments, mainly involving my back, which has been a reliable tool thus far.
Aero-hydrodynamically speaking, the thing works well. I did hang it in the yard but the scale was broken...
Very comfortable ride to wind and on a reach she goes. Ran into the harbor last week with 20 knots of wind doing 8 knots without much fuss. Keeping the staysail boom down is a problem. I like sharpieII's ideas and observations.
Many of the observations of the individuals are right on and I appreciate the spirit of the discussion, unlike so many forums on the web, this one seems to keep it neat and respectful. I appreciate that more the older I get.
This will not likely ever be a "popular" rig for many reasons but primarily because it requires a very lean hull to take advantage. Most people just want real estate below and on deck. I do feel safer on it than on the vintage open 60 however. I know this one will come back up...


Have to remember these comments about the staysail,....considering my 'mainstaysail' on the aft mast rig.

I had a boat with hydraulic steering once,...NEVER again,...lose of 'feel' of the rudder/steering/balance
 
Inherent danger in the aft mast rig?

Sorry Brian, perhaps I could have put that earlier post more eloquently

I think the Achilles heel of this type of rig is that the COE of the bare rig is aft of the CLR of the vessel. I think the designer must consider bare poles as the final shortening of sail and that balance is just as important in this condition (COE relative to CLR) as it is in any other.

Anyone trying to maneuver a sloop in the marina with a strong wind blowing will be aware of the effect of the rig placement.
In severe weather running off under bare poles is a good option, but an aft mast rig may make this option dangerous particularly in conditions such as experienced commonly enough in parts of the world where storms and very large seas can only be safely contended with at certain stages by running and actively helming.

My concern is that with the weather taken on the stern quarter and with the windage aft that it will add significantly to a broaching effect particularly as the vessel rises to the top of the crest as the wave rolls underneath. The vessel meets the breaker if present and also at the same time experiences the full force of the wind. In short I predict a hard time for the helm in the very conditions where astute downwind helming is the only control you have.

I know I’m talking of survival situations where no sail can be carried, but this consideration does not endear me to this rig arrangement. I like your newer rig a lot better.

I'm reading back thru this subject thread, and now realizing what you are saying is true,...the mast aft rig under bare poles will tend to weather-vane facing the wind and seas. Personally I am a fan of parachute anchoring in storms rather than the constant helming required of towing drogues, so the weather-vaning would be better.
 
A-Frame Rig on 'Catbird Suite'

Somehow I missed ever seeing or knowing of this vessel, but here is a gentleman who is not affraid to experiement. Just happened across this vessel this afternoon. Perhaps we'll encourage the owner to add some comments to this forum.

http://www.damsl.com/

"The rig is my idea (tested on a smaller catamaran) with engineering and construction specifications by Malcolm Tennant and Anthony Stanton of New Zealand design team Malcolm Tennant Multihull Design (tennantdesign.co.nz), who designed the boat. Dave Pope, who was a member of the Tennant team, did the original construction drawings of this boat and has contributed a lot to development of the new rig. Dave now has his own design firm and is based in Whangarei (dpd.co.nz).

The rig was completed in December, 2006. It works very well, is quite efficient upwind, is especially good reaching and running, and is easy to handle because all sails furl and there are other advantages as well........."


.....more discussions, photos, and videos
Would there be any way to visit the info that was on this site at one time,....or is the host forever lost??
 
This deserves a serious re-read !

A-frame Rig on 63' Cat


After I posted this reference to this vessel I made a hard copy of his 'Explaination of the A-frame Rig', and reread it several times. It is quite interesting. He makes a good argument for his configuration:
1) that allows for variable tack (sail) locations across the beam of the vessel
2) that might well be called a cutter arrangement
3) all roller-furling sails with no mast interference with leading edge of sails

I thought it deserved being printed out here,...or you could go to his website and see it along with the photos.
http://www.damsl.com/

Explanation of the A-frame Rig
The A-frame mast or bipod rig is my idea (tested on a smaller catamaran) with engineering and construction specifications by Malcolm Tennant and Anthony Stanton of New Zealand design team Malcolm Tennant Multihull Design (tennantdesign.co.nz), who designed the boat. Dave Pope, who was a member of the Tennant team, did the original construction drawings of this boat and has contributed a lot to development of the new rig. Dave now has his own design firm and is based in Whangarei (dpd.co.nz).

The rig was completed in December, 2006. It works very well, is quite efficient upwind, is especially good reaching and running, and is easy to handle because all sails furl and there are other advantages as well.

The boat was built here in Whangarei and originally had a wind turbine rig, a 50ft diameter, 3-bladed windmill, which drove two props. With that rig, the boat could sail straight into the eye of the wind. But there were some engineering problems and construction faults in the turbine, and then I came to realize that I missed the aesthetics and silence of cloth sails. The turbine rig was too mechanical, much like just driving a motorboat, always with some machinery noise and vibration, and I got tired of that.

The new rig, with the A-frame mast, makes perfect use of the boat structure and indeed enhances the strength and integrity.

Catbird Suite has 4 sails, so far, including 2 genoas (one off each bow), a staysail and a mainsail. The staysail and mainsail have 3 positions each, i.e., the tack of the sail can be attached on either side deck or on the centerline of the boat.

For short tacking upwind, staysail and mainsail are both used in their center positions, and are thus vertical, as in a conventional rig. But, unlike a conventional rig, the main, like the staysail, doesn't have a mast in front of it disturbing its wind and therefore is more aerodynamically efficient than on a conventional rig that has the sail running up the backside of a mast, which spoils the airflow onto the sail.

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(Mainsail & staysail on centerline of boat, port tack)

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(Mainsail & staysail on centerline of boat, starboard tack)

For a long, passage-making tack, I attach staysail and main to fittings on the windward side deck and use one genoa, the genoa attached to the windward bow, so I then have the entire width of the boat for sheeting positions, so no booms or whisker poles are needed as I go from close-hauled to reach. In other words, the sails are sheeted down to the boat itself, and thus the boat is the “boom”.

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(Closehauled, starboard tack, using starboard, i.e., windward genoa and staysail and main in starboard sidedeck positions. Port genoa, furled, can be seen at upper left in this picture.)

In that arrangement, I can, with my innovative sheeting system, go from close-hauled right through beam reach and broad reach, with ideal sail shape for every position in between, but no booms, or poles, because the entire width of the boat is available for sheeting positions. The sail plan thus, with sails attached to windward side of boat, looks like a cutter rig that is heeling, even though the boat is not heeling. And she goes to windward very well, like 30 degrees off the apparent wind, and there aren't many cruising boats that can do better than that.

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(Reaching, port tack, all sails on port side. Note that, even though the boat is not heeling, the luffs of the sails are “heeling”, i.e., are angled to the right of the vertical, from the port side deck to the masthead which is above the centerline of the boat.)

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(Reaching, port tack, sails in same positions as in previous picture taken from different angle.)

The leeward genoa (in the case above, the starboard genoa, which can be seen, furled, at the upper right of the picture) can be added to this sail plan, and, when close-hauled, a whisker pole is not needed, with the clew of the leeward genoa sheeted just outboard of, that is, to leeward of the leeward mast. But easing the sheet to reach, in order to maintain ideal sail shape, requires a whisker pole, because then the clew of the leeward genoa would be out beyond the leeward side of the boat.

My sheeting system does require a lot of rope, but rope is much cheaper and easier to handle, and less dangerous and potentially destructive, and less heavy, than booms. The advantages make handling the rope worthwhile.

Why do they call purchase systems "purchase" systems? Because the more mechanical advantage you want, the more rope you have to purchase.

The geometrical advantage for sheeting of the genoa attached to the windward bow is especially great. Even on a beamy cat, with the genoa in the middle, i.e., between the bows, as in conventional rigs, there's only half the boat for sheeting range and, therefore, with a big genoa, you cannot maintain ideal sail shape for beam reach, and certainly not for broad reach, not without a whisker pole, because the clew of the sail is then out beyond the leeward edge of the boat, so the sail develops too much belly. I have the advantage of the entire width of boat for sheeting of the windward genoa, and one genoa is usually enough on any point of sail except dead downwind in very light winds.

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(Broad reach, port tack, mainsail & port genoa)

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(View of mainsail on broad reach, port tack)

Whisker poles would be of use dead downwind in very light winds for poling out both genoas at the same time, and covering the gap in the middle with the main and staysail. That arrangement would capture a tremendous cross-section of wind.

But my boat is so easily driven and my genoas are so big, that most of the time around here, one genoa is enough, and it's handy to sheet across the entire width of boat and maintain ideal sail shape with no need for a pole, and to be able to alter course drastically without having to worry about a pole, or having to fuss with it in the first place. Indeed, downwind with a good breeze, one genoa, sheeted right across the bows, moves the boat along very well, and it's quite amazing how much you can alter course, almost 180 degrees, that is, almost from beam to beam, without jibing. In other words, you can sail “by the lee” on one tack, with the leach of the sail becoming the luff.

I've provided for addition of whisker poles, with fittings on both masts, topping lifts, etc., but have not added poles yet.

The staysail is my storm sail and has very good sailing balance, being directly above the keels, whether in a side position or on the centerline.

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(Staysail in starboard side position)

The A-frame mast structure is incredibly strong and simple in comparison to conventional masts with all their necessary complications. With sails on wires, which are the most efficient kind (no mast in front, spoiling the airflow), and you want to be able to furl ALL sails quickly and easily (so they have to be on wires), the big problem is that sails on wires, which wires must be very taut, create a lot of compression on a mast, so the mast must be very strong and MUST be kept in column, i.e., not allowed to bend, which requires spreaders and more wires, stays, adding more compression, and, on conventional masts in the middle of the boat, the stays are at angles that add even more compression, and thus more stress on the boat, and, on a catamaran, right in the middle of the boat, trying to break the two hulls apart.

The larger the angle between stay and mast, the less compression on the mast and the less stress on the boat. That's why big single masts have lots of spreaders, to increase the size of the angles of wires to mast, but at the cost of lots of wires and fittings and complications, increased windage, wear and tear on sails, etc., etc.

My stays, in this geometry, have very advantageous angles, with therefore less compression on the mast structure, and a lot of the existing tension and compression forces, especially the side loadings, which are the greatest on any boat, are contained within the A-frame structure. There are fewer wires and the wires are smaller, lighter, less expensive than would be required in most conventional rigs. Altogether, there is less material involved in this rig, and thus less weight as well as less expense.

Thus the essence of this rig is in its geometry. Just look at the size of the angles between wires and masts. There are no really acute angles as there are in most rigs. And with respect to strength to weight ratio, and strength to cost ratio, I dare say that few rigs could compete.

The compression load on the boat is not only shared by the two hulls at their strongest points, the load is not trying to break the two hulls apart, as it is in a conventional rig. On big cats, it has never made sense to me to have a huge mast in the middle of the boat, trying to break the boat in half. A cat is two boats in one, so why not have two masts stepped right down to the keels through the parts of the structure best able to take the compression, as well as dividing the load by two, and increasing the side-loading angles to the fullest extent possible.

There are a few cats around with so-called bipod rigs, a mast stepped in each hull, but vertical, the masts not connected at the top. That's not nearly as strong a rig as an A-frame, which is a triangle, actually, or a system of triangles. A cat with vertical bi-pod rig is simply two monohulls connected at the hulls. My goofy analogy is two one-legged men side-by-side with one water ski each, with the skis connected but no other connections, not as stable as one two-legged man on water skis.

As you may or may not know, a much stronger rig, than on a monohull, is necessary on a big cat, because big catamarans are very unforgiving, in that they don't heel, so you don't get the shock-absorber effect of heeling like a monohull, not only heeling and absorbing some of the force, but also spilling wind, when you get a big gust. That is, a catamaran with vertical sails does not have the shock absorbing heeling effect, but my sails, when the tack of each sail is attached to the windward side deck, the sails themselves are "heeling" from the start, and thus spill wind a bit when you get a gust. That's a significant safety factor.

You don't "fly a hull" in a cat of this size, rather, you'd better reduce sail long before that, and a conventional rig would not be strong enough to lever the boat over. The rig, or the boat, would break first. However, my rig is much stronger than a conventional rig, maybe even strong enough to lever the boat, but if she ever did start to heel a bit, let alone fly a hull, the spilling effect of my already tilted, or "heeling" sails would increase very quickly.

A catamaran with a conventional vertical rig, in a gust, accelerates much more than a monohull, because none of the energy is absorbed in heeling or lost in spilling. So with my "heeled" sails, yeah, I may sacrifice a bit of abrupt speed, but my boat has speed to spare, indeed, goes TOO fast at times, so I can afford to sacrifice a bit of speed in the interests of less shock loading, more safety, and not having to be so constantly on the alert and ready to slack off in the gusts.

On the other end of the wind scale, in very light winds, my sails have an advantage over the sails on conventional, vertically rigged boats, in that their sails require a certain amount of wind just to lift the sails away from the vertical enough to set them into their proper aerodynamic shape for sailing to windward at all, and in winds of less than the required amount for setting, which is considerable on a big boat with heavy sails, the sails are worse than useless, they are all drag. That's why you move yourself over to leeward in a little sailing dinghy in very light winds, to heel the boat a bit and thus get your sails to hang and set properly by gravity. It would take a lot of heavy crew to accomplish the same effect on a big cruising monohull, and would be impossible on a catamaran.

My sails, attached to the windward side, because they are "heeled" to start with, as soon as I unfurl them, they assume their proper shapes by the effect of gravity and I'm away with the gentlest puff of wind, rather than with sails drooping like laundry and the boat going backwards.

There is nothing "radical" about the rig. All the components of the mast structure, and the sails and rigging, are standard off-the-shelf, tried and true and available world-wide; it's only the geometry and the sheeting system that are different and yield several advantages and built-in safety factors, in comparison to most rigs.

The A-frame mast structure is not experimental, except in a relative sense in its rare use on boats. It has been used in various pylon structures for ages now, is tried and true, and indeed less complicated, requiring fewer and smaller wires, and is much stronger than the typical yacht rigs, especially on catamarans, with far less stress on the boat and the mast and fittings. The geometry takes full advantage of the beam of a cat, in the standing rigging as well as in the geometry of the sail plan and the sheeting.

This geometry is 3-dimensional, whereas the standard, vertical, monohull rig is 2-dimensional, up and down and fore and aft, and then you have to complicate things in order to hold the sails out to the side (in the 3rd dimension of the real world) at the proper angles, with booms or poles, and then hold those down with vangs. Why encumber your boat with all that gear when you can move the sails over to one side of the boat, and then, with some extra rope and a few tracks and padeyes strategically placed, sheet right down to the boat which itself becomes the "boom"? And why limit a cat to a monohull rig in the first place?

...just a couple of photos to give an overall picture of the arragement

PS: Some interesting details about joining the 2 legs of the mast(s) together at the masthead,...and stepping them in the hulls. Both such problems were experienced aboard Procyon.
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Re: masthead detail photos below

Hello Brian,

Not very much ever escaped ol' Malcolm Tennant's attention. See pics below for his solution to stresses at the masthead. Each leg of the A has a sizable plate welded to it at the top, and these two plates are then bolted together. Note that the bolts have advantage of being scattered over some considerable area. I forget exactly how long the plates are, something like 1.5 m. Note that they are quite long relative to mast fore and aft section length. Note also the outline of black, which is the edge of a thick rubber gasket between the two plates to allow flexibility for some motion. Also, the boltholes are slightly bigger than the bolts. Malcolm said that if there was no such allowance for motion, then there would be a problem, stress cracks developing and so on. I think Procyon's problem was that there was a rigid connection at the top.

Also, for flexibility at the other two corners of the triangle formed by A-frame and boat, the two legs of mast are stepped on pedestals, each pedestal on the corner of two very strong interior bulkheads (one fore and aft, one across). The masts actually are sitting in collars on stainless steel plates that are sitting on the pedestals with thick rubber gaskets providing flex between the plates and the pedestals, and the plates are through-bolted to chainplates on the interior bulkheads (that spreads the compression load, and can also take tension because theoretically one mast or the other could at times be in tension).

Another allowance for movement is that the bases of the masts have rocker, in other words, the base of each mast tube is cut in a slight curve, so that the masts can actually rock, tilting fore and aft within stainless collars welded onto the base plates and through which collars the masts are pinned athwart ship. Sorry I don't have photos of the mast bases handy, am still traveling. To sum up, there is flexibility at the top and at the bottom(s) of the A-frame.

To shape the plates at the masthead in the form of a bird, a profile of a catbird, was my idea. The catbird builds its nest in the highest tree around, is a predator who then swoops down on its prey. Hence the expression, to be "in the catbird seat" is to have a very big advantage, like, on top of the world. It is an American bird, and there is a famous James Thurber short story, "In the Catbird Seat". I took some liberties with its profile, gave it more of a hawk's curved beak, whereas a catbird actually has a straight beak. The boat herself has a suite of cabins and a suite of sails (all with pics of Catbirds on them), and she is my symphony, hence the name "Catbird Suite".
 
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I read about this turbine rig once, that because of the noise, they converted it to sails, which work quite efficiently. That also got me thinking.
 
What's interesting about this case is that they used a windmill rig for normal sails, and it somehow works. It's a random combination that works. That's why, not being a sailor, I look at sails differently.
 
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