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Got to spend a few hours out on the lake in a new friend's 16' drifter sailboat.
She's a plywood stich and glue design from free plans online that the owner/builder adapted to sail.
One of our suppliers told me yesterday that she'd bring a sailing dingy by and show me the basics as she knew them. Well I guess she was serious. She was at the gate 6:00 this morning with boat on a flat bed utility trailer.
Pretty neat little setup. Basically a slightly oversized canoe with hard chines. Mast is a home-spun hinged deal of spruce. Dagger board. Tiny rudder (found that part anemic). Foam filled benches (yup, you guess it. That came in handy). And a pretty cool little double barrel rocker style bilge pump made from PVC (I can attest to it's excellent performance).
Ok, so we spent all of 60 seconds or so on basics and off we went. Spent amhalf hour or so just hugging the shore and jogging around obstacles (bars and submerged structure are common along a couple miles of shoreline and where else would we be). Most of that time I was on the tiller as she tried to show me what slack felt like. Wind was as near perfect as it could be for an experienced sailor (which I'm not) and I never got that "slack feel".
After that, we jogged around in the open water and I started getting something akin to a feel for it. All told, we were out 2 to 2.5 hours that time. Came in and had some lunch with her and her fiancée at a local haunt that we locals tend to keep quite on, but food was great, company was enjoyable and all was well.
Headed back and Mr. Fiancée (sorry didn't think to ask if they'd mind me posting this) thought I was ready to learn to "come around quick" and to start some windward work.
He set the rig as I kept the stem pointed almost with the wind toward a large bridge and away from the dock we went. Shortly under way, I began to feel that little feeling of silent flight. The feeling held till we got near the aforementioned bridge. He adjusted the sail and took the tiller.
Next he said "I'm just gonna do this so you can get an idea of what to expect and then I'll explain it". It felt a lot like going for a swim.
The boat heeled hard to starboard as we started into a very quick turn to port. As soon as it started a good lean, the sail popped like a hurricane force wind had hit it from nowhere and the boat suddenly went from turning quickly to spinning on its keel in the opposite direction and off to port she rolled. I hate to admit it, but I rather enjoyed the experience.
Well, now we're taking up a bit more space on the surface of the lake than we were seconds ago and laughing like teenagers who weren't yet in trouble but would soon be.
I took it as the perfect opportunity to see if righting small sailboats could be as simple as some folks made it look. He unclipped a couple lines from the sail and gave the go ahead.
I grabbed the gw and went to stand on the dagger, but before I could get enough purchase to try my weight, she stood right up. OK so mmaybe sometimes it is as simple as folks make it look.
It took maybe 5 minutes for us to pump her as close to dry as she was going to get with no low spot bilge. He re-hooked whatever he had disconnected, dropped the sail by about a third and got us back to the dock.
Back at the dock, I pulled the bow up on an unused jetski "dry slip" that I really need to tear out. With the bow up and my weight in the stern, it didn't take minute to dip out the remaining water.
After that, we all 3 went out and just "self sailed" (NOW I understand that) at half a snail's pace and caught some perch.
Tried to get them to let me buy them some supper but they had plans.
Right now, their boat is beside my house on a flatbed trailer. They're hoping to try again tomorrow if the weather permits.
For the last 3 hours, I've been under the shed with my old Lincoln buzz box, a grinder and some salvaged "engineered lumber" modifying an abandoned boat trailer to carry their quite awesome little plywood boat. If they don't want it, I'll put it on Craigslist for free, but hopefully they'll have use for it.
I had already replaced the wheel bearings and seals for a family member that changed their mind and never bought a boat last year. I don't remember if I put new lights on it or not, but lights and wiring are like new. Now it just needs paint and perhaps some younger tires.
Anyway, sorry to bore ya with the draw out of my day, but I did learn quite a bit more than I expected to even though I certainly haven't learned to sail. I know I really like their boat but it's not for me. The Core Sound 17 (thanks again PAR) or similar is currently my front runner.
Thanks and have a great day!
Frank
Frank, welcome to sailing and welcome to the blog. You are off to a good start. Here is my advice based on what you have written so far.
The core sound 17 is a great boat. If you were asking what boat should I build for sailing and rowing off a trailer in my area the CS 17 is it. But that is not what you asked, it's the right answer for the most common situation.
You asked for a keel boat, to be kept at a dock you have (no cost), and you have given no indication you want to propel it with your own muscles. You might not recognize it yet, but you are the dream owner for golden era (70s) sailboats which are abundant to say the least. approaching free that you should avoid lest you become the 'previous owner selling at a big loss' I just spoke of. The point I want to make is that if you offered your slip and a little maintenance and upkeep (less than you would do as an owner) you would likely have a very impressiv
To know just what boat you should try
-how do you intend to propel the boat when the wind dies?
-do you value shallow draft abilities? I personally value this highly since I can't carry a dingy on a small boat, there is safety in beaching ability, and trailering a deep fixed keel limits travel. Given your abilities a swing or lifting keel should not be too much to maintain.
-about that travel, are you sure you only want to sail from your dock?
-are you the kind of guy who likes to push performance? Or would you prefer a heavy stable boat that allows you to have a picnic with guests (note difference between guest and crew).
The answers to these questions will go a long way to getting the right boat. It might be heavy solid and motored, it might be very light, fast, and versatile...
You asked about junk rig mast position...no the mast of the common sloop is generally not in the right position for a junk rig. More importantly, the standing rigging is likely to interfere. If you are serious about trying a junk rig on an old production sailboat you want stayless mast. Look at a freedom 21. If I had your slip and desire for a junk rig it would be my choice.
About the junk rig -it's a bit of a polarizing subject. It has virtues but they are subjective and mostly about handling (no flog, twist control). If you just like the look of it -that's a costly attraction. If you are performance oriented look at 'soft wing' sails. There are a couple very good threads on BDnet.
A smaller sailboar I think is ideal for learning on because they behave similar to larager boats but do it a lot faster.
Wow, great comments and questions. Thank you.
First off, you mentioned offering slip and service. Good idea and I'll likely use it.
Alternative propulsion: Intentionally left that out as I have numerous options available to me and am easily pleased with what best suits the situation. For what it's worth, even sculling heavier vessels is less strenuous than most think. What manner will be determined by the boat rather than the more standard order.
Shallow draft abilities: This I do value. It's not a requirement of my slip, sailing lanes or any common reason so much as:
A) shallow draft boats are just easier on the hill, a stow cradle would be easier to build and make life easier if it needs moved around on the property.
B) If I ever did decide to trailer it somewhere, well you already know.
Travel: Yes, just here. I hope to learn and find I enjoy it enough to eventually go with a blue water cruiser in the form of home for two. That's in the wind till I .. .. Well that's what this first boat is mostly about.
Performance: I would be much more interested in being able to sail in more conditions, than speed. Further, at this point in my life, I prefer to enjoy the ride rather than the thrill. Leisurely though purposeful. She'll be transportation and tote as well as pleasure. More towards the picnic angle, but add a toolbox, some grease rags, and something akin to a mini-pickup bed while still being ready for guests. I'm sand collar class.
JR: I just like em. Through many months of reading, there are traits and charactaristics I like, but let's be honest. It's aesthetic, I just like em. So.... Necessary? No. I'd just really prefer to. Ultimately, that's the route "I'd like to go" with a future vessel so starting there would be nice in seeing if "I'd like to" ends up meaning anything.
Doesn't matter if she's a pig, pigs can be reliable and I do love bacon.
Doesn't matter if she's a princess so long as the princess enjoys making mud pies.
Matters most that I can learn to sail with it and still use it as a boat.
Fin keels are out simply because I don't want to deal with one here.
I'd rather keep overall hull length 20' or under. In fact 12' would be fine with me so long as it passes muster by experienced folks and my Bride can avoid dents in her noggin. I know length is not the measure of a boat so I'm open. Much over 20' and I'll have dedicate her slip to her. 20 or less and she can hold either end as needed.
Thanks again!
Frank
