First trial of horizontal fin drive

Skip, that’s exactly what I was referring to regarding Viktor’s video.

As for the efficiency of this type of propulsion—as I mentioned earlier—I view it as a flexible foil.
The distribution of forces is key. The dolphin knows how it works, but we don’t.
 
It's best to look for a description of the drive design not in scientific articles on the efficiency of fin propulsion, but in patent descriptions, such as this one:
US20110255971A1 - Apparatus for oscillating a foil in a fluid - Google Patents https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110255971A1/en?oq=US+20110255971A1
O-foil promotion:
Thanks for the info, I'm sure there are other equally elegant mechanical solutions. For the time being I'll continue the path I'm on and see where it leads.
One issue I'm not sure of is what happens when you stop pedaling.
Skip, that’s exactly what I was referring to regarding Viktor’s video.

As for the efficiency of this type of propulsion—as I mentioned earlier—I view it as a flexible foil.
The distribution of forces is key. The dolphin knows how it works, but we don’t.
Sorry I misunderstood, thought you were referring to my going to 6315 profile from a 6310. Can't really comment on O foil.
 
Thanks for the info, I'm sure there are other equally elegant mechanical solutions. For the time being I'll continue the path I'm on and see where it leads.
One issue I'm not sure of is what happens when you stop pedaling.

Sorry I misunderstood, thought you were referring to my going to 6315 profile from a 6310. Can't really comment on O foil
It's likely going to continue moving until the following dead centre of the mechanism is reached due to the flow arround the foil. Wether it will move further than that will mostly depend on the inertia of the mechanism, e.g. flywheel etc.
 
It's best to look for a description of the drive design not in scientific articles on the efficiency of fin propulsion, but in patent descriptions, such as this one:
US20110255971A1 - Apparatus for oscillating a foil in a fluid - Google Patents https://patents.google.com/patent/US20110255971A1/en?oq=US+20110255971A1
That's a little bit more complicated than what I was thinking, but <shrug>. I was thinking two phased scotch yokes; the main strut and a pitch control rod running down through the strut, driven by the same chain ring. The mechanical complexity and maintenance requirements of such systems shown in the video (i.e. the exposed sliding pivot block) far exceed those of a conventional shaft and stern tube. There is a reason everyone got rid of sliding bearings for power transmission. The only place I can think of them now is for the crosshead of a LSD and absolutely covered in lube oil.

I think it is important to note that, just like feathering paddle wheels, the primary market, as stated, is shallow water operations...an area where conventional propellers and hull design have issues (cavitation and draft respectively).
 
It's likely going to continue moving until the following dead centre of the mechanism is reached due to the flow arround the foil. Wether it will move further than that will mostly depend on the inertia of the mechanism, e.g. flywheel etc.
That's the advantage of a scotch yoke, you can adjust the pitch on the fly. So the strut crank pin would be fixed, but the pitch crank pin could be adjusted, resulting with no change in pitch when it's radius is the same as the strut pin... need to get out my book on mechanical movements....might need a throwout to be simpler.
 
Thanks for the info, I'm sure there are other equally elegant mechanical solutions. For the time being I'll continue the path I'm on and see where it leads.
Of course you're right, Skip, good luck, but... wouldn't it be better to leave just the fin in the water and move the rest (spring, fin rotation stops, etc.) above the waterline, connecting them to the fin via a parallelogram link? This wouldn't require much modification, but it would definitely improve the propulsion.
 

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Of course you're right, Skip, good luck, but... wouldn't it be better to leave just the fin in the water and move the rest (spring, fin rotation stops, etc.) above the waterline, connecting them to the fin via a parallelogram link? This wouldn't require much modification, but it would definitely improve the propulsion.
Smile. Yes, I thought I had the answer early in this journey with a setup that had everything above the water except the fin and strut. It turns out that my facility for seeing all the elements together in their entirety has diminished with age. It turned out there was a lot of motion but the net result was zero.

That was Mark 1. Mark 2 worked , had forward motion and enough hints about where pivot points should be that the current Mark 3 shows a lot of promise. I had to take a small detour into RC because my early visualization of a couple of free running down dirty and cheap models wouldn't work. Now it's one down dirty and inexpensive with different propulsion setups with the same motor. I just received the lipo batteries needed to get stuff to work reliably and I should be able to report some progress in a week or so.

If it looks promising there will probably be a Mark 4. The MIT paper that Jehardiman kindly sent a link to has enlarged my vocabulary and knowledge. Thursday my wife and I took her 103 yo mom out for a boat ride, something we all enjoy. A gull was flying along beside us at about 28 mph. I thought "I wonder what his Strouhal number is " ;-).

I'm fairly close to being in the ballpark except for angle of attack; Mark 4 would address that issue and edge me further down the learning curve.
 
That's the advantage of a scotch yoke, you can adjust the pitch on the fly. So the strut crank pin would be fixed, but the pitch crank pin could be adjusted, resulting with no change in pitch when it's radius is the same as the strut pin... need to get out my book on mechanical movements....might need a throwout to be simpler.
Excuse my mechanical ignorance. My current setup moves the strut up and down via a pushrod. I considered using a scotch yoke but didn't see any advantage and the current setup is a bit easier to make.

Also I think you're right about the paddle wheel. The current pedal driven paddles are roughly the equivalent of a ~ 10' diameter paddle wheel and are surprisingly effective.
 
Hey Skip ~ how are the fins connected to the holder?

Any chance you want to share the detail? Maybe the colllective can come up with a connection that allows more angle?
 
Hey Skip ~ how are the fins connected to the holder?

Any chance you want to share the detail? Maybe the colllective can come up with a connection that allows more angle?
fin is connected to an assembly made up from laminated pieces of G10. I could disassemble the thing and change up things with a file but I'd only gain a few degrees.

I've got some 5mm ball bearings and will now 3D print some pieces and have a more streamlined and adjustable deal.

FWIW the boat now has an onboard data recorder that the RC car guys use. This first trial with it came back with a top speed of 7mph; I'd have been ecstatic if it came in at 1.5-2 mph. Obviously a little more education is in order ;-).

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