Almost ready to build test boat - Methodology for design

Discussion in 'Hydrodynamics and Aerodynamics' started by dustman, May 10, 2022.

  1. dustman
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    I am close to being ready to start building a very small catamaran for testing on lakes.

    What is the methodology for figuring out the most efficient hull configuration for best efficiency at a given design speed and displacement?

    How do you scale from a small prototype to a larger vessel? What needs to be taken into consideration when scaling?
     
  2. Will Gilmore
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    This is a very intelligent question, because scale can be very interesting and complicated for sailing.

    Winds, waves, viscosity of both water and air don't scale with the model. A light, five knot breeze to a full size boat can be like twenty knots over the water to a scaled model. This effects ballast and sail area.

    I only have a minimum experience with experimentation of these concepts, so I would suggest keep asking these questions and do a lot of your own thinking about what is different for a model than for the vessel that is four to a hundred times bigger.

    Common sense and experimentation will likely give you the best answers. Those need not necessarily be your own.
     
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  3. jehardiman
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    What size is "very small"? Most "model" testing requires very accurate (not necessarily precise except as precision relates to the value) measurements; which for most people rules out quantitative analysis for qualitative ones.
     
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  4. AlanX
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    If you just want to design a sailing catamaran, assuming that is the type of catamaran you require.
    Google for "HOW TO DIMENSION A SAILING CATAMARAN?".
    It will get you started.

    Regards AlanX
     
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  5. Alan Cattelliot
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    Hi,

    This matter is really well covered by the ITTC (International Towing Tank Conference).

    Test procedure, results mitigations, material, measure,examples.

    Cheers,
     
  6. dustman
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    The first version would be about 12'x6', likely try two hull forms, and get some real data for powering. The second version for island hopping the bahamas about 24'x12'. If I really enjoy the cruising life, I want to build a 40'x20' version to cross oceans. The goal is to test hull forms for seakeeping and efficiency.
     
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    Great, thank you.
     
  8. dustman
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    Most excellent, thank you.
     
  9. Kayakmarathon
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    You could perform a survey of boats that are designed for your purpose, and compare your design to the sample population.
     
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    A 24' boat will perform completely different than an enlarged version of 40'. Boat behavior does not scale up directly. It takes sophisticated engineering to predict the behavior of a vessel from a model. If you are really set on designing your own boat, paying a test tank facility would be your safest bet. However, building a boat is a job that normally takes several years for an amateur. Designing a boat is much more complex. The initial question you pose means that you need to get a complete course on Naval Architecture and Engineering. Even professional shipwrights and reputable yards buy their designs, or sometimes have a specialized design team on staff. Also, a tank test facility will charge about $20,000 for a preliminary study.
     
  11. dustman
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    I guess I'll just give up because no mere mortal could possibly take on this task.

    I'm not looking for precise predictions, if I wind up within 15-20% in terms of performance I will be happy. Which leads me to the question; what is the typical discrepancy between scale models and full size in terms of performance? And is performance typically better or worse when scaling up?

    I may not be a naval architect, but if the conditions are scaled with the size of the boat I would have to disagree with this statement. The physics you are dealing with don't change much at those scales. If it was a 4' model compared to a 40' I may buy that.
     
  12. Will Gilmore
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    Keep in mind, there are approximately 6076 feet in a nautical mile, which means, when a ten knot breeze blows a 24' boat across the water, that breeze take about 1.4 seconds to blow one boat length. For a 40 foot boat, it takes a little less than twice as long. That seems like a difference worth thinking about. Don't forget the relative wave length and timing, air movement at the top of a thirty foot mast and the air movement at the top of a fifty foot mast may also be significantly different.

    That isn't to say that modeling isn't worth it. Just understand there are a number of factors that are hard to scale, even when the model size is close to the full scale design.
     

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    Thank you, Will, for the practical input. I'm taking these things into consideration. From what I understand the wind gradient isn't especially large. I imagine this is more of an issue in large seas?
    I'm going to build a small boat anyway for cruising around on lakes, so might as well try things and gather data.
     
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