SSNs for Australia

Of course nuclear wars are bad news. the US wont start one. but we will finish one, but only if directly attacked, not provoked.
China, IMO, would use them , on the battlefield with tactical strikes, not against the US mainland. But of course not at first. Who would they bomb?, well it wont be Taiwan. But could be Australian cities if they use their future nuclear subs to threaten China with nuclear strikes. China should just ignore this US, Australian, UK alliance and do what ever they want. Japan is also a target of the Chinese for a nuclear strike, Japan has a bloody history of atrocities against the Chinese.
China threatens to nuke Japan if country intervenes in Taiwan conflict | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

China Threatens to NUKE Japan (Repeatedly) - Bing video
If Japan sends even one soldier to defend Taiwan.

 

The only thing Australia has that China desperately needs is Australian COAL. China wants Taiwan back as that is considered China.
China is building many new coal plants, they must have more coal. If you want war with China, then deny them this Australian coal and your provoking a war. Similar to ww2 and Japan wanting material resources for its economy, which the US denied to them, which provoked ww2 between Japan and the US.

China’s Coal Shortage Means Higher Prices for the World (yahoo.com)
(Bloomberg) -- China, the world’s top coal consumer, is in dire need of more supply and is willing to pay any price -- a move that threatens to leave less fuel for energy-starved rivals.
Coal in Australia - Wikipedia
Coal is mined in every state of Australia. The largest black coal resources occur mainly in Queensland and New South Wales.[1] About 70% of coal mined in Australia is exported, mostly to eastern Asia,[2] and of the balance most is used in electricity generation. Coal production in Australia increased 13.6% between 2005 and 2010 and 5.3% between 2009 and 2010.[3] In 2016, Australia was the biggest net exporter of coal, with 32% of global exports (389 Mt out of 1,213 Mt total), and was the fourth-highest producer with 6.9% of global production (503 Mt out of 7,269 Mt total). 77% of production was exported (389 Mt out of 503 Mt total).[4] In 2019-20 Australia exported 390 Mt of coal (177 Mt metallurgical coal and 213 Mt thermal coal) as was the world's largest exporter of metallurgical coal and second largest exporter of thermal coal.[5]

 

China has banned the importation of Australian coal.

The coal war: why has China turned its back on Australian coal?

 

Just a temporary policy against the politics of Australia regarding covid.
And to me that seems to be heightening the emotional tension for the CCP over access to coal and covid, which means a greater future conflict.

Not sure what kind of mutual defense agreements Australia has with the US.
China could easily invade and take over Australia, if there was no foreign interferences.
The other thing is they have 26 million people only, would an average US citizen want to go to war, maybe a nuclear war with China over an Australian attack or a Taiwan attack by China? (really just a repatriation) I think most would say no to that.

This stands against a Chinese backdrop where Chairman Xi recently again pledged to complete “reunification” with Taiwan – whether it wanted it or not. He also labelled the US as a “risk creator” for sending warships and aircraft through the Taiwan Strait.

And the intense nationalism of China’s ongoing 100th anniversary of the CCP celebrations is hyping past confrontations with Japan.

“In modern history, Japan has taken the initiative to harm the Chinese people many times – including the First Sino-Japanese War in 1894-95, when it took over Taiwan and made us pay more than 230 taels of silver in reparations,” one of the Wisdom & Strategies videos asserts. “And then there’s the invasion of China in 1931-45, where more than 35 million Chinese were killed and wounded.

“Japan has not taken a serious stand in acknowledging the atrocities it committed against China. If Japan goes to war with China for the third time, the Chinese people will take revenge.”

 

The US and China are preparing for war — and Australia is caught in the crosshairs - ABC News
The messaging your hearing is foretelling a coming war with China if leaving the regimes in power today still in power. Australia can not escape that war, with the way things seem to be headed, with the prize being Australian coal for China's desperate need for more and more coal. Can accomplish that also by regime change of government in that country and put Australia on friendlier terms with China. Likely then no nuclear war. India also coal demand is extreme and they are running out of coal.
We could be in for a rough war footing in a few years. I dont know when it goes nuclear, but hard to imagine it won't.

 

Deagel deleted its forecasts of massive loss of life by 2025 due to perhaps a nuclear war or diseases.
Here is a snapshot, and their commentary about this dystopian coming future, which I wonder how many of you saw this.
Prediction is a major destruction of mostly the western aligned woke nations.
China and Russia survived with less loss of life from when I read it online on their site before it was removed from the public view. The US population dropped to 100 million from 330 million, and Australia was about wiped out as was the UK, France, Germany, Canada.
DEPOPULATION (astediscovery.com)

 

Hmmm, a huge decrease in population predicted to come for suicide, as I read it, from drastic change in the economic paradigm. That can't be supported by any historic mass suicide when people were put into terrible poverty. They more likely died from starvation.

 

I believe Newport News has some connections with naval warfare.Which seems to be thing of the past in almost all respects.We haven't had battleships firing broadsides at each other for a very long time and I can only recall one submarine torpedoing a surface vessel in the last forty years.It seems to somebody outside the business that the functions of a modern navy are to protect aircraft carriers,from which airstrikes take place or to suggest menace by implying that a submarine carrying deadly missile power might be within range of a hostile nations.There has been a long term trend of trying to fight current wars using the tactics of the last war and I think the whole saga reflects this trend.
I have little doubt that the next war is already under way and the weapons in use are keyboards and mice.The military hardware is mostly a distraction.

 

Just dragging this back up into the sightline. Especially in light of China/Solomons, Russia/Ukraine, and China/Taiwan. A lot happened in 7 months. This is why as a military NA you need to be way ahead of the curve. I wonder if China/Solomons is nothing but a response to this buy. Also noticed that NZ is back in 5 eyes.
New Zealand deal may put Japan closer to ‘Five Eyes’ intelligence alliance https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/04/22/national/tokyo-five-eyes-new-zealand/

 

LoL, speak of the Devil and he hears his name. Things are about to get real for Aus and NZ.
China wants 10 Pacific nations to endorse sweeping agreement https://apnews.com/article/wang-yi-beijing-china-new-zealand-96f78c97071116055ebc3e7c216a0ef8

 

The latest info
Will US supply Australia with AUKUS subs? 'That's not going to happen,' key US lawmaker says - Breaking Defense https://breakingdefense.com/2022/12/will-us-supply-australia-with-aukus-subs-thats-not-going-to-happen-key-us-lawmaker-says/

 

That article is slightly misleading with its headline.
Since all he is saying is the supply demand for US subs take precedence as their is no room for anyone else in the current programme timelines.

 

That's true, but it was known back then. What's not said is that for this deal they canceled the french contract, and there was capacity there. If they wanted nuclear subs fast, all they have had to do is tell the french so.

Even with the transfer of a complete technical package Australia doesn't have the capability to build. They can weld a hull together, but for all the rest they have to stand in line. Building a complete domestic supply chain for specialized components is not going to happen soon, it's not only the money, it's also the knowhow.

 

Actually, France won't build the Australians (or anyone) a nuclear submarine or first-class weapons system. Otherwise that would have been the original contract regardless of how basic the French boats are. See my post #11 on the first page of this thread for the way I think this will play out. And yes, it will take many years until Australia has the infrastructure to make a home-grown SSN.

EDIT: Also see my post #19 on the second page...US really doesn't have the capacity right now. UK does.

 

Hummm...curiouser and curiouser.....

French submarine maker’s Australian job: On the hunt for a corporate leaker https://www.politico.eu/article/france-submarine-makers-naval-group-australia-job-hunt-corporate-leaker-aukus/

Need more beer and popcorn....